53 | STOP Making These Common Father Daughter Softball Mistakes

[00:00:00] And as a coach, I used to tell the players and the parents, trust the process, right? Trust the process. Just believe in what I have. I have a certain way of doing things and just believe in what I do and all things will work out. So that was as a coach.

[00:00:20] And what I did is I took that to her travel ball teams, her travel organization. And we were in a very high-end organization. We're part of the Orange County Backwesters.

[00:00:33] Hello and welcome to Catching You, a Dad and Daughters Softball Journey. I'm Rusty, a dad who's been in the dugout and on the sidelines.

[00:00:41] And I'm Lacie, the daughter whose journey through softball has been filled with incredible wins, tough losses, and so many lessons both on and off the field.

[00:00:49] For the past 16 years, we've navigated the highs and lows of softball together. From the local fields to national tournaments and everything in between.

[00:00:57] From the challenges of recruitment during COVID to the mental and emotional rollercoaster that comes with being a student athlete,

[00:01:03] we'll be sharing the perspectives of both the parent and athlete and first-hand experience of the impact of sports on mental health and the importance of support from the sidelines.

[00:01:13] Welcome back, everybody, to Catching You. I am your co-host, Rusty Hamm, my beautiful co-host. My other co-host is not here.

[00:01:25] She is back in college getting ready for the stretch run of her first semester. So I'm going solo today.

[00:01:33] And what I wanted to talk about, I posted something on Facebook earlier.

[00:01:40] And my question was, and I've seen this on TikTok a few times, but with players would go up to other players and say, hey, what would, what advice would you give to your 12 year old self or something like that?

[00:01:55] And then that player, hypothetically, these are college players and they would say, oh, I would do this or I would do that.

[00:02:01] What I did is I did it for, this is again, this is a father, father, daughter podcast.

[00:02:07] So I proposed a question on Facebook to other fathers.

[00:02:12] Now, some other, some others responded, which is fine because what if there was a divorce and, or is it maybe they're a widow and they're, they're the ones that they're bringing up their daughter.

[00:02:22] So that's fine.

[00:02:23] I didn't say, I didn't respond one way or the other.

[00:02:27] I'm just glad that they responded again.

[00:02:29] This is a father, daughter podcast.

[00:02:31] So I threw it out there for all the fathers out there.

[00:02:36] And the question was, if you had a chance to speak to yourself five or 10 years ago, what advice would you give yourself?

[00:02:44] And then I, I responded with a few things.

[00:02:47] If they responded, I was going to give them a shout out and maybe read what they, they talked about.

[00:02:54] So there was a few responses and I appreciate their responses.

[00:02:57] So the first one is from a Jamal Cherry and Jamal Cherry.

[00:03:02] He said, I would have just tried to not get stuck in my bubble too much.

[00:03:09] We all get in an organization or in a community and we drink the Kool-Aid.

[00:03:15] We listen to our coaches and friends and don't do our due diligence and find what's best for our daughter.

[00:03:21] Every league organization, competitive level is not the same.

[00:03:27] Our egos and our bubbles make us believe our B league teams can compete with A league teams.

[00:03:36] We get around good division five teams in high school ball and pretend if they can compete with division one.

[00:03:44] My daughter was a very good team, but no one got recruited.

[00:03:49] And not only that, I let them talk me into playing her down in 14 year, a year long, a year too long.

[00:04:00] Then down in 16, a year too long.

[00:04:04] We were taking fifth and PGF nationals in the Colorado Sparkwater.

[00:04:09] But all those scouts watching their games weren't offering anybody on our team.

[00:04:15] I eventually learned there were teams who my team pretended.

[00:04:20] Let me retract.

[00:04:23] I eventually learned that there were teams who my team pretended weren't as good as us with more talent.

[00:04:31] And with the coaches who had relationships with college coaches.

[00:04:34] I switched to my daughter.

[00:04:36] All was good.

[00:04:36] But looking back, it was easy to see, but my mind was stuck in a bubble.

[00:04:42] And I'm going to get into that in my, if I were to talk to myself five or 10 years ago, I will get into that as well.

[00:04:51] This is from Gary Hill.

[00:04:53] My daughter is in her third year at college as a pitcher.

[00:04:56] My advice to my younger self would be let her myself as well.

[00:05:02] Enjoy high school ball more.

[00:05:05] You are playing with friends, not saying don't play to win.

[00:05:10] Just saying, have fun.

[00:05:12] Travel ball is where to make your name known.

[00:05:16] I think that across the board, I think that's, that's well known, but there are some parents, some dads that treat high school way too serious.

[00:05:28] And speaking from experience, cause I was a high school softball coach and these parents were crazy.

[00:05:35] And again, they're not going to get recruited from high school.

[00:05:39] Just, if you're listening to this, you're not going to get recruited from your high school team.

[00:05:43] You're going to get recruited from your travel ball organization.

[00:05:48] So yes, play high school and have fun.

[00:05:50] Don't take it so serious.

[00:05:53] This is from Steven Williamson.

[00:05:55] Biggest thing I would tell five year ago me, if they truly want to play at the college level, they will ask you to practice versus you making them practice.

[00:06:08] And I agree that wholeheartedly.

[00:06:10] There was a point where I was getting frustrated with my daughter because I was forcing her to go outside and throw a bullpen.

[00:06:19] And I'll get into that later, rather than having her ask me, Hey dad, can you come out and play catch with me?

[00:06:29] Let's see here.

[00:06:30] This is from Erica.

[00:06:32] Again, there are some moms out there.

[00:06:34] So again, I don't, I'm not discriminating one way or the other.

[00:06:37] I would have pressed my oldest Lesh.

[00:06:41] High school was stressful enough for her.

[00:06:43] She didn't need me to pile on things that seem to so big during those years really doesn't matter.

[00:06:52] Yup.

[00:06:52] Especially in high school, we've had, we had a lot of drama in high school.

[00:06:56] My daughter's high school team, a lot of drama looking back.

[00:06:59] It's like, really?

[00:07:01] I think this is from Erica Juliano.

[00:07:04] Yes.

[00:07:05] Very much a line as far as the high school.

[00:07:08] Again, I was a high school coach.

[00:07:09] My daughter was on the team.

[00:07:10] I was an assistant.

[00:07:11] I wasn't the head.

[00:07:13] And I just saw a lot, a lot of drama.

[00:07:16] Specifically high school ball.

[00:07:18] She never had to and hated every, she never had to and hated every minute of it.

[00:07:23] She should have been doing what she loved instead.

[00:07:27] Time enough is time enough in life to do things you don't want to do.

[00:07:33] Thank you.

[00:07:34] I've learned by my third daughter.

[00:07:36] She drives the bus, so to speak.

[00:07:39] And as long as she loves it, she will work her ass off.

[00:07:42] If she doesn't want to do it anymore, we move on.

[00:07:49] They're what matters, not the rest of it.

[00:07:52] Just them and their happiness.

[00:07:53] Very.

[00:07:53] I like that, Erica.

[00:07:54] Thank you so much.

[00:07:56] Again, other mom, Kimberly Alonzo.

[00:07:59] So the advice I would give myself five years ago is that it matters who you play for and

[00:08:07] what tournaments they play in.

[00:08:09] Start in ninth grade with emails and camps.

[00:08:12] Yes, Kimberly, it does.

[00:08:14] It absolutely does matter who you play for and what tournaments are in and what colleges

[00:08:19] are going to catch your eye.

[00:08:21] And another piece of advice is if, let's just say, hypothetically, there's a girl on your

[00:08:27] team that's getting looked at by the power of power.

[00:08:30] It's not power four, but the power five schools, power four schools.

[00:08:36] And you do well while they're watching, hypothetically, another girl that's on the team and you do

[00:08:41] well, they're going to write your name down.

[00:08:43] So it's very important that you're on teams that are, that other girls are being recruited

[00:08:48] because you may catch the eye of said power four schools.

[00:08:54] Right.

[00:08:54] And she says, start in eighth, start in ninth grade with emails and camps for sure.

[00:08:58] You need to be emailing.

[00:09:00] And what I've been noticing a lot lately is college coaches don't necessarily care about

[00:09:06] your game changer video where, you know, half this half the screen has the fence behind

[00:09:11] it and you're like 30 feet away and can barely see the catchers in the way that the umpires

[00:09:17] in the way they don't want to see that type of film.

[00:09:20] So if you're listening to this and you're saying that time of film, I wouldn't, I would be sending

[00:09:26] in close ups of your workouts with your pitching coach or your heading coach or your pitching

[00:09:32] coach.

[00:09:32] Cause even with those videos of you, oh, this is my daughter striking somebody out.

[00:09:38] She's 43 feet away from the batter.

[00:09:40] And then there's a 30 sheet with the camera.

[00:09:43] It's just, it doesn't look good as far as, so don't send that to coaches.

[00:09:47] You want to send in your workouts with a closer view so they can see the span and your technique.

[00:09:54] All right.

[00:09:55] And I think that's it.

[00:09:57] What I wanted to do with me.

[00:09:59] And I have three things I would have, if five, 10 years ago, now my daughter's 21 years old.

[00:10:06] So this is probably 10 years ago.

[00:10:08] I would probably be giving my advice if I were to run into myself, uh, 10 years ago.

[00:10:14] And this is what I said in the Facebook one is I used to coach high school basketball for over 30 years.

[00:10:22] I was a softball assistant coach for eight.

[00:10:26] When I started a brand new high school in 09, I was a high school coach.

[00:10:32] And then my daughter was sick.

[00:10:34] So probably when my daughter started getting into travel, which is around nine or 10 is when I started coaching, um, softball at the high school as well in anticipation of her attending my school.

[00:10:49] So I wanted to, cause I didn't know anything about coaching softball.

[00:10:53] I only knew basketball.

[00:10:55] When I coached the high school softball, I was a few years there where she wasn't there.

[00:10:58] And then all of a sudden she came in as a freshman.

[00:11:00] So I was able to be an assistant coach, which was cool.

[00:11:04] I was able to hang out with her almost daily, right?

[00:11:07] For four years.

[00:11:09] But that has nothing to do with what I'm talking about here.

[00:11:12] I just, I was a coach and as a coach and as a coach, I used to tell the players and the parents trust the process, right?

[00:11:26] Trust the process.

[00:11:28] Just believe in what I have.

[00:11:30] I have a certain way of doing things and just believe in what I do and all things will work out.

[00:11:36] So that was as a coach.

[00:11:38] And what I did is I took that to her travel ball teams, her travel organization.

[00:11:45] And we were in a very high end organization.

[00:11:48] We're part of an, the Orange County Bout Busters.

[00:11:51] If you've listened to any other episodes, we've talked about it in the beginning episodes where we intend you.

[00:11:58] It was Team Mizuno at the time, but Mike Stith was the head of Team Mizuno.

[00:12:02] He broke off from Orange County Bout Busters.

[00:12:05] Created Team Mizuno the following year.

[00:12:08] I think he went back to Orange County Bout Busters where he ended up buying them out.

[00:12:13] So he was now the head of Orange County Bout Busters.

[00:12:17] And so we were in that organization at a very young age where Lacey was, my daughter.

[00:12:23] She was 10, 11 years old.

[00:12:26] So this, so, and this Mike Stith at the time, now he's nationally recognized as probably the top travel ball coach in the nation.

[00:12:35] But he was also well known at the time too.

[00:12:38] So we were in this really high end organization.

[00:12:41] Well known players have played for him.

[00:12:44] At the time, Team Mizuno, I think it was Sydney Romero was on the team and Delaney Spaulding from, you know, played at UCLA and ended up playing for the Olympics.

[00:12:55] A lot, there were some really high end girls that came out of Mike Stith's organization.

[00:13:00] So we were in this really high end organization and it was just, you know, trust, trust us and we'll find a place for you, right?

[00:13:08] We'll find, we'll find a place for your daughter.

[00:13:10] And so we did, we were in 12U, first year 12, second year 12s.

[00:13:15] We were with a guy named Chris Garcia.

[00:13:17] And during the, during those years or during, yeah, during those seasons, he would say, oh, my job is to prepare you for Mark Campbell.

[00:13:26] Who was a very sought out 14U coach at the time.

[00:13:30] My, my job is to prepare you for Mark Campbell and Mike Stith.

[00:13:35] Right.

[00:13:36] When we did that, we're like, okay, we trust you.

[00:13:38] We trust you.

[00:13:39] And my daughter did really well at the 12U level.

[00:13:42] We got third place.

[00:13:44] We got first place in the U, you triple S a select world championship.

[00:13:50] We won that tournament.

[00:13:51] And then two weeks later, we got third place at PGA.

[00:13:54] So our 12U team was really good.

[00:13:57] Mark Campbell picked, I think five or six girls from that team to join his 14U team.

[00:14:02] So we're like, and my daughter was one of them.

[00:14:05] And that just propelled us.

[00:14:08] Okay.

[00:14:08] Now it's go time, right?

[00:14:09] Now 14U starting to get recruited.

[00:14:13] So we're trusting the process.

[00:14:15] My daughter did okay in 14.

[00:14:18] She wasn't like great, but she wasn't like horrible, but she got hit by a line drive.

[00:14:22] If you listen to our older podcast, she got hit by a line drive in the head.

[00:14:27] Fracture skull was in the ICU for a while.

[00:14:29] Got had to take a summer off in 14, which is not good as far as recruiting.

[00:14:35] And so we're, but when she came back, we trusted the process.

[00:14:39] We ended up going to playing for Mike stiff on his eighteens when she first year eighteens.

[00:14:46] And here, here's why I'm saying trust your gut versus trusting the process.

[00:14:53] Right?

[00:14:53] So we trusted Mike stiff.

[00:14:56] We're on my sister.

[00:14:57] If you're on his team, it's all we thought it was a guarantee that she was going to get looked at by colleges.

[00:15:06] And what ended up happening was she didn't play a whole lot.

[00:15:09] So she didn't play in these high end tournaments with college coaches watching.

[00:15:15] So even though I said earlier, Hey, get on a team where, where some of the team, your teammates are getting looked at by colleges.

[00:15:23] You gotta be playing.

[00:15:25] You gotta be playing at the time.

[00:15:26] So she didn't get any time.

[00:15:28] She was a pitcher.

[00:15:29] She wasn't getting any time.

[00:15:30] She was behind.

[00:15:31] I think some of, she ended up going to Oklahoma's was one of the top pitchers for Oklahoma.

[00:15:36] So she was not getting time with her team.

[00:15:40] And, but we were trusting the process.

[00:15:42] And this was during fall.

[00:15:44] Right?

[00:15:44] So we played during the fall and she would get a couple innings here, a couple innings there, but we were trusting the process and we hung on too long.

[00:15:53] Right?

[00:15:54] We were with the organization when she was nine years old.

[00:15:58] And now she's when she was on Mike's team, she was 16.

[00:16:02] We were on the, we were in the organization for a fairly long time.

[00:16:05] And so we were like, okay, we're gonna, we're gonna be, we're gonna trust it.

[00:16:11] We're gonna be loyal.

[00:16:12] And if you guys know anything about travel softball low loyalty can only take you so far.

[00:16:19] So we were actually too loyal.

[00:16:21] We trusted the process too long, in my opinion, because we didn't watch.

[00:16:27] She didn't get any seen by any colleges during the fall.

[00:16:30] And it was just the last tournament.

[00:16:33] Oh, the fall.

[00:16:34] And it was a showcase and she didn't play.

[00:16:38] And so he actually came to us and said, Hey, why don't you play for this other team that's in our organization?

[00:16:45] And she did one time, she played one game in that showcase.

[00:16:48] And she got some looks by these division two division, lower division one, which is fine.

[00:16:57] My advice, if I would have given myself advice 10 years ago, or at that point it was five years ago, is trust your gut.

[00:17:06] I had feelings throughout the fall that this was not going well.

[00:17:11] And we should, we should have approached him and asked him, Hey, can we go to this other team earlier or to switch organizations?

[00:17:19] Right.

[00:17:19] But we hung on for too long because we were too loyal and we were trusting the process.

[00:17:24] We didn't trust our gut.

[00:17:25] So I would tell myself, trust your gut when you feel things aren't gonna, aren't going right.

[00:17:33] Now I'm not saying don't trust the process.

[00:17:35] Go ahead.

[00:17:36] You know, if there is a process, if you feel like the organization is going in the right direction and they have multiple girls going to colleges, then that's the organization you should try and seek.

[00:17:48] Right.

[00:17:49] As long as it fits your core values, your, we have, you know, we have.

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[00:19:18] I'm looking forward to, okay.

[00:19:20] You know, Lacey goes, what you're doing.

[00:19:24] We didn't even go from any side side.

[00:19:26] I'm not sure if you're a leader or you hear me just in the movement that you're trying to do.

[00:19:34] But if you make your thoughts a little bit, we're spending your time.

[00:19:35] for him, I got upset.

[00:19:37] And part of the reason was, is it as a father, it was a direct reflection.

[00:19:45] I thought, again, this is what I thought it was a direct reflection of me.

[00:19:51] If she didn't perform, then I look bad as a father.

[00:19:55] I wasn't doing my job as a father to prepare her for the Orange County

[00:19:59] Bat Busters and 10 years, if I had advice for myself 10 years ago,

[00:20:05] I would just tell myself to chill, enjoy being with her.

[00:20:10] Yes, you can get on her.

[00:20:11] I'm not saying kumbaya, I'm saying, but don't get so upset if she had a bad bullpen.

[00:20:17] Talk to her, have a conversation with her, pull her aside, give her a hug and say,

[00:20:22] hey, it's okay, pitchers have bad, but hey, you need to work on this.

[00:20:27] And remember your pitching coach said this, we need to work on that.

[00:20:30] Because she came into the kitchen crying to me.

[00:20:33] Why are you treating me like this, so to speak?

[00:20:36] She's 11 years old.

[00:20:38] So just why are you doing it?

[00:20:40] Because she had a bad bullpen and I just totally ignored her.

[00:20:43] I didn't, I took my bucket, I just walked right by her, slammed my bucket down in the garage

[00:20:48] and didn't talk to her.

[00:20:50] That's how I did things back in the day.

[00:20:53] And it's not good.

[00:20:55] I just needed to relax and chill.

[00:20:58] If I were to give my advice to me 10 years ago, just chill.

[00:21:03] Just calm down.

[00:21:05] It's not a reflection of you.

[00:21:07] Yes, she's in an organization that they're going to put the pressure on her.

[00:21:11] You don't need to add more pressure onto her.

[00:21:13] And then the last one, this goes with trusting my gut and trusting the process is I would

[00:21:21] tell myself to trust yourself and seek a better pitching coach.

[00:21:28] Now I'm not saying that if we've got a better pitching coach, she'd be these powerful schools.

[00:21:33] However, we trusted, we trusted the coaching staff at the Orange County Butt Buster.

[00:21:40] They said, Hey, you need to go to this pitching coach.

[00:21:43] You need to go to this pitching coach.

[00:21:45] Turns out that in my opinion, and again, this is my opinion, they were lining the pockets

[00:21:53] of these pitching coaches within the organization rather than us then trying to find the right

[00:22:00] coach for her.

[00:22:01] So it backfired.

[00:22:02] We went to a couple of coaches within the organization and backfired.

[00:22:05] It didn't, she did not, she wasn't improving and she was getting frustrated from how they

[00:22:13] were coaching her.

[00:22:14] We ended up finding just somebody locally here.

[00:22:16] She's awesome.

[00:22:18] Wendy.

[00:22:18] And she played for Arizona.

[00:22:20] She played for Mike Condrell.

[00:22:21] Condrea.

[00:22:22] Wendy Hauser.

[00:22:23] Awesome.

[00:22:25] Lacey thrived during her tenure when she was coaching her.

[00:22:29] So just, I would trust your gut.

[00:22:31] But if you feel like the pitching coach is not, is not improving your daughter, then move.

[00:22:39] Even if they're within the organization, you need to find, because it's your money, right?

[00:22:43] You can do whatever you want with your money.

[00:22:46] And if they, if the organization looked down on you or doesn't play your daughter because

[00:22:50] you went outside of the organization to get better help, then that's probably not the

[00:22:56] organization you want to be in.

[00:22:57] So those are my three things I would say, advice.

[00:23:07] Again, we can always do what ifs.

[00:23:09] We can always do the what ifs.

[00:23:11] And I would have done this better.

[00:23:13] I would have done this better.

[00:23:15] But it turned, it just, basically what it comes down to is just trust your gut.

[00:23:21] I just ended here.

[00:23:23] One just came in from another person, Joseph Friday.

[00:23:27] I'd tell myself to start teaching the recruiting process sooner, right?

[00:23:31] The sooner parents and players understand what they need to do and how they need to do it,

[00:23:36] the better the outcome.

[00:23:38] So I'm glad we ended with that because I had no idea how the recruiting process, again,

[00:23:45] that's because I had no idea.

[00:23:47] I trusted the organization rather than doing my own research.

[00:23:52] She eventually got recruited.

[00:23:54] It was tough because if you know, if you guys have listened to past episodes, we switched

[00:24:00] teams to Athletic Mercado right away.

[00:24:03] He said the new coach was an advocate.

[00:24:07] And that's another thing I would give advice to is find an organization that's going to

[00:24:12] advocate for your daughter, meaning they're going to look out for them.

[00:24:17] They're going to be looking to get your daughter recruited.

[00:24:21] With the bad person or specifically with Stiff and Campbell, college coaches came to them

[00:24:27] and said, hey, who do you have?

[00:24:31] They rarely, they probably did, but I always say they never did, but they may have gone out

[00:24:36] and said, okay, I have this player.

[00:24:39] And they would contact coaches, say, hey, I have this player.

[00:24:42] But more often than not, the college coaches came to them.

[00:24:46] And you go to these showcases and we would play, we'd be playing another team and the other team

[00:24:52] would have flyers.

[00:24:54] We wouldn't.

[00:24:55] We didn't have flyers because I don't, I never, it baffled me that we didn't have flyers.

[00:25:03] It was just because I guess they would just contact Mark Campbell or Stiff and they'd say,

[00:25:08] hey, who do you have?

[00:25:09] And then they would say, hey, hi to this person.

[00:25:10] And they would come specifically to watch those players where you're playing other teams

[00:25:15] and they have these flyers and it gives their, it gives their, their GPA and all that kind

[00:25:19] of stuff.

[00:25:19] So look for team, look for organizations that are to advocate.

[00:25:23] So we switched over after that fall that I was talking about.

[00:25:26] We switched over to Athletics Mercado.

[00:25:29] We had her coach Greg on one of our episodes and he called Ohio State, North Carolina.

[00:25:37] I think he called two other and Ohio State said, oh, we're good.

[00:25:40] I'm pitching North Carolina.

[00:25:42] Yeah, we need a pitcher.

[00:25:44] So we scheduled a visit and we went out to North Carolina.

[00:25:47] A great visit.

[00:25:49] They loved her.

[00:25:50] And then COVID hit.

[00:25:52] And then we got ghosted by North Carolina because they just, they were supposed to come

[00:25:56] out to us during a high school game.

[00:25:58] They were supposed to come out and watch her and COVID hit and they couldn't.

[00:26:02] So they just, they ended their recruiting on her.

[00:26:05] And we ended up getting with SoCal A's and they had an advocate and they got a hold of

[00:26:12] San Jose State because they had a brand new coaching staff.

[00:26:16] A lot of the girls after the other coach left, a lot of the girls left with him.

[00:26:22] And so they had a new coaching staff.

[00:26:25] So there was a lot of openings.

[00:26:26] It just, the plan aligned at that point.

[00:26:30] COVID hit.

[00:26:30] Coach left.

[00:26:32] We switched teams.

[00:26:33] They made a call and they, yes, we need a pitcher.

[00:26:36] We need a lot of players at that time.

[00:26:38] And so they recruited her.

[00:26:40] And all of our recruiting videos were, they were, they were pitching lessons, live pitching

[00:26:48] lessons online.

[00:26:49] I think they were able to come out and see her twice.

[00:26:53] They're in 2021 when things started opening up.

[00:26:55] So she's where she's supposed to be.

[00:26:58] She's going to be graduating soon.

[00:27:00] I'm super excited to watch her play.

[00:27:02] She's coming down to the Berry Nutter.

[00:27:04] She's coming to UNLV, Las Vegas.

[00:27:08] So we're going to take a trip out to Las Vegas.

[00:27:10] She's coming down to San Diego State.

[00:27:12] So we're going to be able to watch a lot of her games her senior year.

[00:27:16] And we're totally looking forward to it.

[00:27:17] I appreciate everybody who's listening.

[00:27:20] Again, we're a year in and we'll catch you guys on the other side.

[00:27:25] Take care.

[00:27:26] Las, if you listen to this, I love you.

[00:27:29] And looking forward to seeing you in three weeks during crucifix.

[00:27:33] All right, guys.

[00:27:34] Take care.

[00:27:35] Take care.

[00:27:36] Take care.