25 | Navigating Travel Softball: A Father-Daughter Journey and Advice

[00:00:00] I've talked about this with a lot of my friends too.

[00:00:03] As you are who you hang around with,

[00:00:06] or you are who you're,

[00:00:09] I don't know, associated with.

[00:00:11] So a lot of decisions and moral standings come from the people around you because

[00:00:18] if you're hanging out with them all the time, you want to be around like-minded people

[00:00:22] and usually sometimes those rub off on you.

[00:00:27] And so, yeah, so having babysitters that were athletes and were smart,

[00:00:32] they helped me with my homework,

[00:00:34] we watched sports together on the TV when we would hang out.

[00:00:39] So definitely made an impact I think.

[00:00:43] Hello and welcome to Catching You, A Dad and Daughters Softball Journey.

[00:00:47] I'm Rusty, a dad who's been in the dugout and on the sidelines.

[00:00:51] And I'm Lacey, the daughter whose journey through softball has been filled with incredible wins,

[00:00:55] tough losses, and so many lessons both on and off the field.

[00:00:59] For the past 16 years we've navigated the highs and lows of softball together,

[00:01:03] from the local fields to national tournaments and everything in between.

[00:01:07] From the challenges of recruitment during COVID to the mental and emotional rollercoaster

[00:01:11] that comes with being a student athlete,

[00:01:13] we'll be sharing the perspectives of both the parent and athlete

[00:01:16] and firsthand experience of the impact of sports on mental health

[00:01:20] and the importance of support from the sidelines.

[00:01:22] Welcome back everybody to Catching You, I'm your co-host Rusty Ham.

[00:01:26] With me is my other co-host, my beautiful daughter Lacey.

[00:01:30] Lacey say hi.

[00:01:31] Hi.

[00:01:32] We are fresh off of Mother's Day which was yesterday.

[00:01:35] I know you missed mom right?

[00:01:38] I did.

[00:01:39] Missed mom?

[00:01:40] Yeah, I just I have finals this week.

[00:01:43] I would have been home for just one day and then drive all the way back.

[00:01:47] So I'll give her my gift when I get back.

[00:01:50] You gave her some, you gave her a massage.

[00:01:52] True.

[00:01:53] Yeah so good stuff.

[00:01:54] So we're going to stand the kind of the topic of answering questions

[00:01:58] or maybe some things that are coming through our pipeline as far as Facebook Messenger.

[00:02:04] And last week you did a solo cast.

[00:02:07] Great job by the way.

[00:02:09] Thanks.

[00:02:10] And you answered a couple of questions from a listener.

[00:02:13] I have another listener his name is Josh.

[00:02:17] And he and he'll laugh about this.

[00:02:20] It was a novel but he had some great things that we could talk about.

[00:02:26] And let me just go through what he was not concerned with this challenges he's faced.

[00:02:31] His daughter is I'm assuming first year 12s remember first year 12s Lace?

[00:02:37] I think we skimmed by it.

[00:02:40] Yeah.

[00:02:41] All time for PGS.

[00:02:42] Yeah so that was a big year for you right?

[00:02:44] We came off a 10-year, we came off the national championship lost by one run in the championship.

[00:02:50] You pitched almost every game and then we had the same team entering in the 12-year.

[00:02:56] And we'll get into tryouts and stuff like that because that's one of his kind of things he wanted to talk about as far as tryouts.

[00:03:03] But first year 12s we had high expectations right?

[00:03:08] We're in the bat best organization.

[00:03:10] We're coming off the national championship.

[00:03:12] First year 12s is different.

[00:03:14] These girls are much, they're going into middle school so they're much bigger, stronger and they pitch a lot faster.

[00:03:20] So to qualify for PGS at that time was a big deal.

[00:03:25] We were like one maybe one or two first year 12s actually make it to PGS.

[00:03:32] Yeah so Josh is a, we have very similar paths.

[00:03:38] I think I discussed with you before we have very similar paths where we are PE teachers.

[00:03:43] We were also coaches and we're also parents of a softball player.

[00:03:48] And so we had a similar path.

[00:03:51] I resigned from being a head coach of basketball to spend more time with you.

[00:03:55] I didn't resign from teaching but because I knew you were coming up through high school so I was going to.

[00:04:00] My plan was to coach softball so I can be with you and that worked out.

[00:04:05] But one of his things and you can attest to this Lace, Mom and I we're very particular on who we put in front of you right?

[00:04:15] So even in middle school right your mom teaches at the middle school you went to she teaches PE there.

[00:04:22] So we have the ends on who you can basically have as a teacher right?

[00:04:30] I think you guys chose my teachers since I was in preschool.

[00:04:37] Yeah.

[00:04:38] I don't know.

[00:04:39] Yeah when you were in elementary that mom was teaching in elementary school too as well.

[00:04:44] Yeah.

[00:04:45] Yeah I was at the same elementary school with mom and she left to go to middle school and I didn't know what to do.

[00:04:54] I didn't like where I went.

[00:04:56] I don't know why I wanted to go.

[00:04:59] I transferred elementary schools.

[00:05:02] You did.

[00:05:03] It might have been easier because of where we lived too.

[00:05:06] Transferred to new elementary school.

[00:05:09] That was the only time that I didn't have either of my parents teaching at my school was elementary.

[00:05:15] Right.

[00:05:16] Yeah so we had the ends on who you should be in front of right?

[00:05:21] So we were very particular.

[00:05:23] We were also very particular on who babysat you right?

[00:05:28] What were the two requirements for our babysitters if you remember?

[00:05:32] They had to have a 4.0 and they had to be athletes.

[00:05:36] Yep.

[00:05:37] Yep because I was teaching.

[00:05:39] Yeah so what because I was teaching in high school I had a lot of and mainly females but I had a lot of girls.

[00:05:45] Can we babysit for you?

[00:05:47] Can we babysit for you?

[00:05:48] Because when I started teaching high school you were sixth.

[00:05:52] Yeah.

[00:05:53] And Jess was three.

[00:05:54] Okay and then I would say hey what sport do you play and do you have a 4.0?

[00:05:58] If they said no to either one of them I said I'm sorry.

[00:06:02] It's not gonna happen.

[00:06:05] It makes sense because we talked about I've talked about this with a lot of my friends too.

[00:06:10] As you are who you hang around with or you are who you're I don't know associated with.

[00:06:18] So a lot of decisions and moral standings come from the people around you because if you're hanging out with them all the time

[00:06:27] you want to be around like-minded people and usually sometimes those rub off on you.

[00:06:34] And so yeah so having babysitters that were athletes and were smart they helped me with my homework.

[00:06:46] We would watch sports together on the TV when we would hang out so definitely made an impact I think.

[00:06:55] Yeah the main thing for us is that they're responsible right.

[00:06:58] They're responsible in the classroom lately they're getting their homework done or obviously they're 4.0 for a reason

[00:07:04] and then you have to be responsible.

[00:07:06] You're going to practices you're getting yelled at by coaches you have to be on time.

[00:07:11] So that those two aspects we were very particular.

[00:07:14] So if you're listening and then you have young ones I would highly recommend you be very particular on who your babysitters are

[00:07:22] and be prejudiced.

[00:07:25] I do prejudge that's a I always told them I'm prejudiced.

[00:07:30] They're like what are you talking about you have to be a 4.0 and you have to be an athlete.

[00:07:33] Okay yeah I'm prejudging you if you don't have either of those two qualities you're not watching our kids.

[00:07:39] So let's move on to this yeah we were very particular and then one of the things he's because his daughter is just now getting into travel ball

[00:07:48] we started you started when you were nine and then we didn't you didn't really have to try out because you're the head coach of your travel team was your all star coach.

[00:07:58] So it was like hey Lace you're on our team and then we did have tryouts for other people but and then I'm not sure why he's Lace

[00:08:09] he's talking about tryouts as far as being closed.

[00:08:13] You don't remember every any trials being closed right.

[00:08:16] I'm not sure what he means by that but I also don't I don't understand that really say it is an organization does have closed tryouts.

[00:08:24] I especially as a athlete going from like 10 you to 12 you and you're at the beginning of like middle school like that age for me.

[00:08:37] For me I feel like I would feel so anxious at a tryout if I didn't have some sort of support system out.

[00:08:46] Seeing your parents you know be on the fence a little bit.

[00:08:50] Like just sometimes just them just standing there and like an athlete like a girl being able to see their her parents like right there supporting her.

[00:08:59] Would make their experience way more impactful and their performance might even be 10 times greater than if they if their parents were not there.

[00:09:10] So my anxiety level would probably raise a few bars if it was like a field the coaches and all these girls I'm competing against with no one around.

[00:09:24] And what we don't know who this coach is.

[00:09:27] Thankfully we knew all like a bunch of the coaches in our organization that like we knew them.

[00:09:33] I don't know what if you're trying out for a new organization and it's closed and you have no idea who these coaches are.

[00:09:39] You have no idea who these girls are.

[00:09:41] That might be a red flag.

[00:09:42] That might be a red flag for me.

[00:09:44] Yeah.

[00:09:45] I especially with the player as a player.

[00:09:47] That's a red flag.

[00:09:48] Okay.

[00:09:49] No for I think it should be a red flag for both parents and kids.

[00:09:54] Yeah.

[00:09:55] Because why are you why is it closed.

[00:09:58] The only thing I could think about is if the coach didn't want the players to get distracted by the parents.

[00:10:07] But then I said to you before if the player is getting distracted by their parents during a tryout you probably don't want that kid on your team.

[00:10:15] Because now they're getting easily distracted from something that like what about a game.

[00:10:21] Are they going to talk to their parents during a game.

[00:10:23] But it's a matter of keeping keeping the girls calm especially during tryouts are so like high anxiety for a lot of people.

[00:10:33] For anything like interview.

[00:10:35] It's like an interview tryout anything like that.

[00:10:38] Like you're competing against all these people around you have no idea who they are and you're supposed to outperform them.

[00:10:44] So how are you supposed to do that under high stress.

[00:10:47] Yeah and I get it.

[00:10:49] He says he gets it because there are parents out there they're constantly meddling into their kids business right.

[00:10:55] Hey Lace you know throw this way or make sure you step and throw so they're always they're coaching from beyond the fence.

[00:11:03] And I can see maybe an organization saying you need to like you know but we never had that issue because of the organization we get in.

[00:11:11] And we're going to get into us being in Bat Busters and how that was viewed by other people.

[00:11:16] But as parents you have Mike Stith you have Mark Campbell and you have Chris Garcia on the field as a parent you're going to shut your mouth.

[00:11:24] You're not going to say anything because in that organization a lot of times it's you're on the team because of the parents.

[00:11:33] If you were just a jerk as a parent or if you're distracting like you said you're distracting your your saying stuff to your daughter.

[00:11:40] As they're trying to try out your daughter might be pretty good but they're going to be like no thank you.

[00:11:47] We don't want this parent on the team.

[00:11:49] I've said that a few times that even if it's apples to apples and they look at the parents they're going to go with the parents that are cool and relax and chill.

[00:11:58] So all the trials and we were lucky right Lace we were lucky because we went to the trial.

[00:12:06] You went to the trial so you didn't necessarily have to try out and we'll put it in your quote.

[00:12:11] You were trying out.

[00:12:12] Yeah you're trying out there was and there was very few spots right.

[00:12:17] Yeah.

[00:12:18] They were basically trying out for the lower the B teams or the C teams.

[00:12:26] It would be a big tryout so even the returners had to come and you knew what team you were going to be on.

[00:12:36] But our coach like the coach that I knew that was going to be my coach would be on the sideline probably looking for another outfielder another pitcher and other infielder like who shows up to the trial and who stands out.

[00:12:52] Yeah it was good to have you guys there because they were able to compare these people trying out to you guys.

[00:12:59] Okay can they compete with these elite players and if they can then they might have a shot.

[00:13:05] Yeah and we knew like the ins and outs they ran it like a practice but we knew what the drills were like all right everyone five star drill and we'd all just run to our spots and all the girls trying out.

[00:13:17] Yeah and but we would take those girls and be like all right and then tell them what they're supposed to do and depending on whether they get it or they don't get it.

[00:13:28] That could also be a factor like being easily you're not coaching as a teammate but adjusting to drills that that pop up in a tryout that you have no idea what they are like around the horn what's around the horn.

[00:13:43] You might want to know what around the horn is.

[00:13:45] You don't know around the horn and you show up to a bat bus for probably out there.

[00:13:51] And I remember having to explain to a girl he'll randomly switch the direction so just keep an ear out and I remember her going up and he said switch and she didn't switch and you can see like the look on his face and I was like.

[00:14:09] He's not going to scream at her because he's trying out but it was one of you he would scream.

[00:14:16] Hey but then I know he was looking at me too because she was in my same line and I'm expected to guide her as well so I was like oh yeah.

[00:14:28] Touch on that we weren't the only program out there that was negative negatively looked upon we had our issues with the crown angels and how they conduct themselves I'm sure they looked at us and said certain things so I every organization is going to be different and we you played with girls that play for multiple organizations.

[00:14:46] They were program hopping trying to find that right one you luckily didn't program hop until 18s but yeah so it was just more of a swag it's just how those organizations carried themselves we never had.

[00:15:00] Yeah I could I'd say this is just from my perspective I don't know what it is from a crown angels perspective but I think those are the it was the main rival that we had like that busters we weren't allowed to one thing was we weren't allowed to celebrate home runs at home runs.

[00:15:16] I don't know if it's quiet humble I don't know maybe because you don't want to say crown angels aren't humble they just they.

[00:15:28] It's hard to describe I don't know that we don't want a bad mouth them because they are very they're a very good program they just did they did things differently that we didn't do and that's why you looked at we looked at that as OK they're different from us and the way they're conducting themselves.

[00:15:44] We don't do that so we felt like we were more not high and mighty but we're just like we're just like it was more of a business right we had a home run hey act like you've done before just give him a high five when they come in the dugout where.

[00:15:56] You know over TV now it's just like home runs are just they come out to the they come out the home plate they they're super excited much more fun which is weird because those girls that you played with back then they were hitting home runs all the time and they were like.

[00:16:12] And then when you look over crown angels they don't home runs and they were just going crazy right so we just it was just to be more humble yeah and.

[00:16:24] Expect expect more of yourself always so you hit a home run all right that's.

[00:16:32] Go on yeah.

[00:16:33] On to the next step back and there's pros and cons to that but I guess definitely to teach us more to be more humble and humility and all that stuff but.

[00:16:48] Yeah.

[00:16:49] Crown angels were definitely more like outward with their emotions and very talkative very loud in the dugout we were not very loud I don't think we even cheered most of the time.

[00:17:01] Yeah you guys are boring.

[00:17:03] Even really boring.

[00:17:04] And a lot of it might have been jealousy too right there's you're looking over there and they're just they're celebrating each other they're celebrating this strike out they're celebrating that they get walked and they're celebrating that they get walked and they're celebrating that they get walked.

[00:17:15] I mean that they get walked and they would celebrate maybe that part of it maybe was just some jealousies I want to celebrate I want to have fun.

[00:17:24] I thought that was like the normal thing I'm like why are they so loud right.

[00:17:29] You know.

[00:17:30] Yeah.

[00:17:31] So I need to rub people the wrong way which is fine it is what it is now it's like at the time we're just like they're so annoying.

[00:17:39] And then.

[00:17:40] So his last thing was being inquisitive to a coach so for example if I were to walk up to Mike Stith and say hey man what is your philosophy on on on first and third something stupid I want to say stupid but just being asking questions to the head coach Hey what's what do you guys do as far as team bonding if I were to ask Mike Stith that or Mark Campbell he would they would have said okay see that door right there.

[00:18:07] Yeah see that door I go ahead and go ahead and just go out that door and take your daughter with you.

[00:18:14] Yeah I said there's a funny because I get it Josh the guy wrote these messages I get it he wants to make sure that his daughter is in front of the right coaches and he said that word of mouth is a lot of a word of mouth right we you know.

[00:18:28] It's a Southern Orange County Orange County about busters it was mainly word of mouth it's okay if you play for the kind of busters you have Mike Stith Mark Campbell those are the ones those are the guys you want to put you want to play for because.

[00:18:44] So many girls.

[00:18:46] Were they got scholarships going to these major colleges so if you played for them the odds of you getting a scholarship were very high.

[00:18:54] So we just we just put our head down and said okay we're in we're all in some people lasted some people didn't and we can get into the next week because we haven't really got into 18 yet but this yeah we don't want to.

[00:19:08] It's as hard as a parent because I get it you want to put your kid in front of the right coaches so that's why you just want if you don't if you it's got to be a gut right it's got to be a gut feeling as a parent I'm talking as a parent.

[00:19:19] And let's say hypothetically you were to go to a tryout and check it out and you just see something that you just didn't like and it's in your gut that doesn't that doesn't sit right with me the way he was yelling at people or because you play for Mike Stith Mark Campbell Chris Garcia.

[00:19:29] They're going to scream and yeah Mike Stith was screaming at the top of his lungs if you made a mistake.

[00:19:35] And you had to deal with it and if you can't deal with it then it's not the right program so you just got to just got to keep going to different programs and as a parent you just got to just got to feel right.

[00:19:46] And being in the Bat Busters playing for Chris playing for Mark.

[00:19:49] It just felt right for you we felt like you can handle it you're a competitive yes you got a multiple sometimes when they yell at you but you got over it so it is just trust your gut go to multiple tryouts and trust your gut.

[00:20:00] And that's the way you can handle it.

[00:20:02] No I agree and because you would sit or you or mom would sit out sometimes hang out with other parents at our program and you know you're not going to be able to do that.

[00:20:13] So you just got to just trust your gut.

[00:20:16] And that's the way you can handle it.

[00:20:19] And I think that's the way you can handle it.

[00:20:21] I would go to the coaches.

[00:20:24] No I agree and because you would sit or you or mom would sit out sometimes hang out with other parents at our practices sometimes.

[00:20:33] And so if say you do make this team and you're not really sure what the head coach is about or the other coaches just sit on in their practices and observe.

[00:20:45] I'd say like you don't have to say anything to the coaches.

[00:20:50] You can get a gist of what they're about by just sitting in the outfield and observing how the practices run.

[00:20:56] How is he talking to the players.

[00:20:59] Is he doing one on one.

[00:21:01] Is it just is there nothing being said after a mistake like looking out how they discipline the girls.

[00:21:07] Is it just constant running or is it very intentional.

[00:21:11] Run to the fence and back and get back over here.

[00:21:14] Is it just constant running.

[00:21:16] Nothing being there's yeah.

[00:21:18] And I think you would get a gut feeling by just observing and seeing what the practice is all about or.

[00:21:25] Yeah because you don't want if you if your daughter is super competitive you don't want a coach that's oh it's OK.

[00:21:32] Let's just move on to the next drill.

[00:21:34] Like you want more of a hard ass coach then and then you got to move on or find a different place.

[00:21:42] It's just observing.

[00:21:44] You're not going up to.

[00:21:46] My.

[00:21:47] Yeah and just hanging out with parents on the other side of the fence if you hear them constantly complaining then there might be something wrong.

[00:21:56] Right.

[00:21:57] But if they're just chill and they're just in their lounge chairs and hanging out and talking politics or talking weather or talking you know.

[00:22:06] Vacation and they're not talking about the coaches and how horrible they are situational stuff then you might be in the right place.

[00:22:14] Let's move on. He had a second the second tier to his questions or comments.

[00:22:19] And that was and I will just break it down to transitioning from you know.

[00:22:27] 10 12 14 16 is transitioning and dealing with different types of relationships different coaches because you had different coaches when you moved up and then you have different players that you played with.

[00:22:40] And how did you handle that because you go from 12 you're getting into middle school and you talk to mom and middle school girls from sixth grade to eighth grade they changed dramatically.

[00:22:53] And she can attest that we can bring her on and she'll go off on how sweet and innocent they are in sixth grade and then also in eighth grade there's completely different people.

[00:23:02] And I'm sure that's the same with again it's the organization the organization you guys in was just there wasn't a lot of drama.

[00:23:11] You did first year 14 at the end is our second year 14 I forget when we had that drama coming home from Colorado but yeah but there wasn't a lot of drama just because like-minded people we talked about right being around like-minded people so I don't know if you can touch on that a little bit.

[00:23:27] Like my teammates and yeah just transitioning from different from 10s to 12s to 14s and maybe playing with different girls.

[00:23:38] I was lucky enough to play with some of the same girls pretty much my whole travel ball life and once you get to that middle school age I think I've talked about this before but it starts to get really clicky.

[00:23:51] And you start to you start to hang around people that you feel more drawn to and more you like well are like-minded like you said and sometimes they aren't the best people to be hanging out with but you think that's the best option for you is like in a social setting.

[00:24:02] Some girls I know girls especially like young girls feel pressured to feel like they're not the best person to hang out with but you think that's the best option for you like in a social settings.

[00:24:12] Some girls I know girls especially like young girls feel pressured to feel or to join the cool group or be the cool girl and let me tell you being mean is not cool.

[00:24:22] So I figured that out pretty early because I think what kind of helped me too is I had friends in middle school that were not softball players.

[00:24:31] I didn't in my whole friend group that I had in middle school not one of them played softball.

[00:24:35] Some of them played sports but they were not in my outs they were not part of my extracurricular activities at all like I would never see them on the weekends I would never see them at practice but my friend group in middle school was pretty much the same.

[00:24:46] Some of them played sports but they were not in my outs they were not part of my extracurricular activities at all like I would never see them on the weekends I would never see them at practice but my friend group in middle school.

[00:25:02] I'm still friends with them today.

[00:25:05] I was lucky enough to have some really good friends and that had good morals good.

[00:25:12] We supported each other we would hang out have all this fun together go on trips and.

[00:25:19] That kind of I would take those thoughts in those social thoughts over to my softball world and always like my social world my softball world are completely two different areas.

[00:25:32] But you took the qualities of your non softball you took the qualities of their character and when you play softball you're looking because you said you talked about it is clicky you're gonna you're gonna seek out those type of girls that kind of fit that mold.

[00:25:48] Yeah, but talk about the ones that weren't in that mold or in a different click.

[00:25:53] I wouldn't I wouldn't imagine you're like just shun them.

[00:25:57] I would I got along with a lot of the girls on pretty much all my teams.

[00:26:03] Obviously there's going to be ones that I don't I'm not as close with even now on my college team there's still girls that I'm not as close with than other ones.

[00:26:11] Yeah, that's just part of life I feel like but it's all about you can observe to I would have my friends at my house or like even my teammates that I work close with.

[00:26:22] We would share hotel rooms together all that stuff so you would see the people that I would hang around with or you would see the people that I associate with and I feel like you would you or mom would tell me like hey I don't know if this person is good to hang around.

[00:26:41] I don't know. I don't we've never really had that experience before but just being able to see the type of character that even at practice like how we talked about observing you can observe the people that your daughter is like hating around more or during game breaks I want to go hang out with her.

[00:27:01] I'm going to go eat lunch with her and just observe if you notice something off then got to communicate that with your daughter and maybe set some boundaries but relationship wise you don't have to be you don't have to shun them.

[00:27:18] You're not you just don't get along as good as you do with other girls so yeah it's very clicky.

[00:27:29] But at the end of the day you have a common goal right?

[00:27:32] Yeah.

[00:27:33] Which is to improve at the time you guys are trying to win PGF and then you're also trying to get recruited so you guys all had a common goal right?

[00:27:43] There were girls on four teams I was not a fan of and I'm like you are not to hang out with them.

[00:27:50] I never said that to you but in my mind I'm like you better not hang out with them because I didn't like their character.

[00:27:56] I didn't like how they conducted themselves.

[00:27:58] They didn't work very hard.

[00:28:00] They always took plays off or when the coaches turned their backs and they were giggling and they weren't as serious as you were.

[00:28:09] And yes we wanted you to hang out with people that were serious about what you guys were on these teams.

[00:28:16] We were supposed to have these common goals which is win PGF and get recruited.

[00:28:21] Those are the two major goals and if we didn't see that as parents we didn't see some of those girls have those same goals.

[00:28:29] We're like hey you are not to hang out with them but I think you did that on your own.

[00:28:34] I think you saw that you observed and you're like yeah they don't they're not like me so I'm not going to hang out with them as much.

[00:28:42] And yeah in college you're still the same way.

[00:28:45] You're roommates with a soccer player and then you have your other friends are tennis players.

[00:28:50] No.

[00:28:51] I have best friends on the tennis team, my roommates are soccer players.

[00:28:57] I have friends that are not athletes that go to a completely different university down the street.

[00:29:02] It's all over the place and I'm more drawn to these people compared to other people.

[00:29:11] It's just how life works.

[00:29:14] Yeah and then on the changing the different coaches again we were in the same organization for I don't know you were nine.

[00:29:25] See 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 so was that eight years.

[00:29:31] Yeah.

[00:29:32] About eight years we're in the same organization we knew the coaches we knew who we were going to play for so I can't really Josh I can't really talk about different relationships with coaches because we knew the coaches we knew what we were getting into.

[00:29:45] But as far as a parent and observing coaches we just had a really good feeling about because of Lacey and who she was and how competitive she was.

[00:29:55] We knew this was the right organization.

[00:29:57] If it wasn't we were dined and ditched.

[00:30:00] We would have just we would have tried to find somewhere else.

[00:30:03] We had to at one point which was.

[00:30:07] Yeah, we can get into that next episode because we haven't really talked about we touched on 16 a little bit but your first year 18 was not the best.

[00:30:18] And then go back to 16 remember.

[00:30:20] Yeah, yeah.

[00:30:22] Yeah, in the fall of 18s after fall was over we come back in January and go back to 16 different teams different organizations we can get into that later but Lacey you have one more week is that correct.

[00:30:38] Yeah I finals all this week and one on Monday and then I'm done.

[00:30:43] And then you're coming back home.

[00:30:45] I am.

[00:30:46] So we're going to pay for an apartment that's going to be empty.

[00:30:48] That's fantastic.

[00:30:49] That's great.

[00:30:50] I'm also chipping in.

[00:30:52] Don't forget.

[00:30:53] That's true.

[00:30:54] That's true.

[00:30:56] I'll leave my due diligence.

[00:30:58] Due diligence.

[00:30:59] Yeah, I'm joking with you but we're looking forward to having you back home even though you're 21 years old.

[00:31:06] And probably will still live there after college I don't know.

[00:31:10] Listen I lived with my mom when I was 26 so it's okay.

[00:31:14] It's okay.

[00:31:16] And we'll have the dogs, the kitchen.

[00:31:19] That's right.

[00:31:20] Yeah come on.

[00:31:21] The best of both worlds.

[00:31:23] Yep.

[00:31:24] Alright Lacey I love you.

[00:31:25] Love you.

[00:31:27] We'll catch everybody else on the other side.

[00:31:29] Take care everybody.