18 | Where Do Humility, Hunger, and Intelligence Fit in the World?

[00:00:00] Did you work hard enough during the week? Did you show humility? Be like, all right, that's

[00:00:07] I didn't do so well last week. I'm gonna have to work my way back up and sometimes

[00:00:13] you think you worked a certain amount of time and you worked this amount of work hard

[00:00:18] enough for that moment and it's not the outcome that you wanted but you still have

[00:00:25] to encourage your teammates, encourage the others around you and not look down upon

[00:00:30] them and say I could do this and I could do better than they are. It's you're on the

[00:00:34] same team. So why are we? Yes there's a healthy level of composition between certain

[00:00:40] athletes because you play the same position and you go back to being hungry, you have to

[00:00:46] be hungry to work hard at the end or go and do the extra work and when you don't have

[00:00:53] that you have no room to complain about playing time. Hello and welcome to Catching You,

[00:00:58] a Dad and Daughters softball journey. I'm Rusty, a Dad who's been in the dugout and on the

[00:01:03] sidelines. And I'm Lacey, the daughter whose journey through softball has been filled with

[00:01:08] incredible winds, tough losses and so many lessons both on and off the field. For the

[00:01:13] past 16 years we've navigated the highs and lows of softball together from the local

[00:01:17] fields to national tournaments and everything in between. From the challenges of recruitment

[00:01:22] during COVID to the mental and emotional rollercoaster that comes with being a student athlete,

[00:01:27] we'll be sharing the perspectives of both a parent and athlete and first-hand experience

[00:01:31] of the impact of sports on mental health and the importance of support from the sidelines.

[00:01:37] Welcome back everybody to Catching You on your co-host Rusty Ham with me, my other co-host

[00:01:43] and my daughter, Lacey Ham, Lacey Say. Okay everybody. So last week you were off, how was it?

[00:01:52] Was it good having a day off of just no softball? It was good and sometimes after a weekend

[00:02:00] of a little bit of struggle the last thing you really want to do is talk about it sometimes.

[00:02:07] You just want to sit within yourself and reflect within yourself and then maybe do some things

[00:02:13] around the house that you need to do or get some homework done, drinks of tea, just settled down

[00:02:20] and relax and come back to reality. Yeah that's a good point because you shut up on screen and I

[00:02:26] can see in your face. Then you were just like can we not do this today? But we'll get into the book

[00:02:32] I'm reading or just got done reading but it says people that are depressed or they're having mental

[00:02:39] issues. The best thing you can do is like create a to-do list and just do the to-do list and just

[00:02:46] have like a compulsory of I went to the grocery store or I went and I got an oil change or whatever

[00:02:53] there was and you're just crossing that off your list and so all of a sudden you're starting to

[00:02:56] feel better about yourself because you accomplished these little tasks. Yeah. You ordered what you did

[00:03:03] on Monday. That's pretty much what I did. My class got canceled so I had that day to just do

[00:03:10] whatever really I wanted. I think I did some laundry. I worked out. I went into my apartments gym

[00:03:16] and did a little workout not too much but like you said I was like I don't know if I want to work

[00:03:21] out today. You're like like moving your body is good for the mind even just a little bit so

[00:03:27] just what ended that made my own dinner just stayed home all day and yeah. I need to do. Yeah you

[00:03:35] needed it because like I said you've been seven days a week since you got back from Christmas

[00:03:40] break, seven days a week of just straight softball. There's a new day of just can I just have a day

[00:03:47] of not. Yeah it's crazy the difference between when you go from high school and you're so excited to

[00:03:57] go to college and play college ball and but in high school it's like you have the five days a week

[00:04:05] of school and maybe go to lessons or but like in the two days on the weekend you have practice

[00:04:11] and those are two days of full-go softball and then you get to college and it is

[00:04:18] every single day like you there is no break so to say. Mondays are regulated off days like legally

[00:04:27] but every other day is softball and sometimes it can consume you and it's just like finding ways to

[00:04:34] not let it consume you. Yeah can you get burned out very easily. Speaking of high school,

[00:04:40] you before we started your interviews you just got down with 14 years. You are now entering first

[00:04:46] year 16th. You're also a sophomore in high school. 16 you just just let everybody know just to be

[00:04:55] transparent. It was a blur. It wasn't really magnificent right high school was a lot drama

[00:05:04] filled a lot of drama in high school and then travel softball you played with Mike's

[00:05:10] this daughter Katie Steph in 16th it was a really good team in fact again rankings came out I do

[00:05:17] what were you ranked again? Number two or number one? Yeah that it. We went like two and out

[00:05:27] in PGS. Yeah again you predicted the win like you were a Campbell and we didn't fare too well

[00:05:35] and then you're predicted the win at again in 16s because 16s yeah everyone doesn't know usually

[00:05:40] after 14s if you're in a pretty high end program sometimes you'll skip 16s you'll go right to 18.

[00:05:47] Because sometimes the higher end programs the ties to the mark Tyson and Mercados the Stis the

[00:05:53] Rico's they're gonna have two they typically have two 18s ones going to be like their elite

[00:05:59] and then the other 18s is going to practice with the elites and they're going to be the ones

[00:06:03] almost like a varsity team where you're like the bench players on our 16s I guess we could

[00:06:09] equate it to like a JV team in high school would that be yeah yeah I'd say it was equivalent to

[00:06:17] a JV like a filter filter team like the girls that perform or have been at the program a long time

[00:06:26] or are eventually going to get to that 18s team and that's pretty much the goal every time ever

[00:06:32] since you enter the program is to get to that 18s team so you're on the 16s actually the 16s teams

[00:06:38] if you looked at the lineup was actually really good yeah our third baseman with two third baseman's

[00:06:44] one with the Minnesota one is at Utah it's just it was a shortstop bait it was the craziest

[00:06:51] it was a really good thing we just didn't do vote we just didn't would do well and PGF

[00:06:56] and we look forward to that tournament every year and I really don't remember

[00:07:01] how what we did that was so bad I really don't remember what was I just remember like the talk after

[00:07:08] the gaze all of them what was that talk or what what was said to you after the second not much

[00:07:15] it was very short but it was like I remember her saying I expect all of you guys in the

[00:07:20] facility this week yeah no there was no week off it usually after PGF it's okay we're gonna give

[00:07:26] you a couple weeks off and then you're gonna be coming back she said yeah now you're coming

[00:07:30] back to STC and working out immediately if it if you are if I don't see you in the facility

[00:07:35] I know you don't care and we all were okay what are you going to STC this week exactly and then

[00:07:44] high school again as the team was coming off so your software your freshman year the girl that

[00:07:52] was pitching she was a senior she was an all-american we once the AF her junior year we won league

[00:08:00] her senior year she goes off to college she ends up transferring to Minnesota does well she's now

[00:08:06] she's a professional so she was you're pitching behind a really good pitcher you weren't

[00:08:11] seeing a lot of itting so now they're you're stepping out to the plate so to speak you're the number one

[00:08:17] pitcher we have a lot of drama that year right we have warm our top players quit early she's actually

[00:08:24] playing at central florida now a college a do you want an athlete quit your high school team that's

[00:08:31] that hurts and then we added some sisters that kind of gave it work squabbling it their parents were

[00:08:36] going through a bad divorce they weren't handling that divorce very well and it's a lot of drama but

[00:08:42] talk about but you're coming back from your injury right so there were the couple games I think

[00:08:49] there's one game I think it was a scrimmage if you remember and describe a ball the

[00:08:56] describe your reaction after a ball got hit close to you so I think because it didn't happen like

[00:09:04] when I went and played back at pgf with mark like nothing like that ever happened but then we get

[00:09:09] to high school or like even like during practice like we would pitch live all the time and nothing

[00:09:16] like that would ever have like ever really happened I just had to wear my mask of course but

[00:09:22] I just remember this one high school game and I think a girl hit like a line dries

[00:09:30] somewhere around my head I don't know and I think it was the third out like something happened

[00:09:37] where someone caught it or like it was a ground ball I don't know because I remember instantly

[00:09:43] had wanting to cry and I broke down instantly after I saw that ball go by my head because obviously

[00:09:53] you're having flashbacks of when that happened and thank god it was a third out because I run into

[00:09:59] like the other teams bullpid and just like break down crying and I cannot stop and I remember one

[00:10:06] of our team managers coming to see if I was okay but I was like please leave me alone and I really

[00:10:11] did know how to handle myself right because I think my brain clicked and said oh my gosh what if

[00:10:16] that happens to you again and I was like I think one of the first times that ever really happened

[00:10:22] but there were definitely other times like in I remember high school practice when it was a ground

[00:10:30] ball like not even a hard hit ground ball back at me and it was just like I could see it coming

[00:10:34] towards my face and I think I miss it and I can't I couldn't pitch anymore that day I feel like

[00:10:41] I was reliving that moment in the which is it's crazy because I'm only what I think I'm 16 now as a

[00:10:51] sophomore 15 15 yep and I don't know what PTSD looks like an athletes no idea I just think I'm

[00:11:01] like having like triggers or like just flashbacks whenever that that is but the more I learn about it

[00:11:08] like I definitely had some sort of PTSD from getting hit in the head and like whenever those balls

[00:11:17] would whizz by like whizz by my head or my body like I could I was just going back to that moment

[00:11:24] in the ambulance and the on the stretcher like in the OR room my mind completely just those back

[00:11:32] with those sequence of events and it's not fun you don't want to relive that and it's definitely

[00:11:39] my body's way of trying to I think not have that happen again like a fighter flight response

[00:11:47] yeah it's definitely a flight fighter flight fighter flight response yeah and you were yeah good

[00:11:54] you were my coach right you're still you're a coach but you were there yeah right what did you

[00:12:01] think when I was running them off the field yeah I was scared for you right because I knew that

[00:12:09] even before when you started when he came back when he came back in pdf with no games under your

[00:12:16] belt just here lace here's pdf go for it and these girls in pdf it wasn't like a friendly word you

[00:12:23] can play maybe a crappy team or a team that's never very good and who's not going to hit the ball very

[00:12:29] hard close to your face but you're in pdf and these girls are good and college colleges are looking

[00:12:35] at our games and so these girls can hit and then me and mom's fear was our fear was is she going to

[00:12:44] react how is she going to react with a ball gets hit close to your face close to your head it didn't

[00:12:49] happen at pdf but it did definitely happen your freshman or your sophomore in high school

[00:12:54] where the ball was by your head and you just freaked out and that's going to happen you hear about

[00:12:59] that all the time from people who go from World War II veterans and and the Iraq War veterans they

[00:13:07] hear something abaying and they think it's a bomb or guns or so you have that definitely

[00:13:14] in the back of your mind as far as a ball be whizzed by your head and thinking okay is this

[00:13:21] going to happen to be again real quick so yeah what we definitely it's really hard it's really

[00:13:27] hard to explain the feeling that I got I couldn't breathe probably was one of the main ones

[00:13:33] like my breathing definitely intensified my heart reads like go on a little bit the waterworks

[00:13:37] start going and I it's it's hard to control it's like a it's like a panic attack a little bit

[00:13:46] yeah and then in your comp is a little bit lower too right you're like if I throw this pitch

[00:13:51] that a certain way is it gonna get back to me like before if I miss this change up because that's

[00:13:57] what you got hit on is the change up if I miss this change up there's a gonna get hit back to

[00:14:03] me the same way it did last time right so you throw the change up a little bit different when

[00:14:07] you first come back right I do yeah for sure all right let's pivot to the book that I'm reading

[00:14:17] you guys are listening to this a week it's gone gone by when I did my solo cast

[00:14:23] I talk about it was more on the parent side right as a parent being humble being hungry and being

[00:14:29] smart is a good thing for your kid right being humble like recognizing that there are other people

[00:14:37] on the team that's not just you it's not just your kid right it's the team and being hungry being

[00:14:46] hungry for your child being hungry for your kid is what can you do for the program to help

[00:14:53] your child have a success if you're kids last on the bench are you paliting as a parent saying oh my

[00:15:00] my kid should be playing because the coach sucks and I'm not gonna help out with the program because

[00:15:06] you're not playing my kid or are you gonna help your kid out have a good experience and

[00:15:10] help the program as much as you can and then be smart when you're in the stands just sit there and watch

[00:15:16] the game race so humble again it is a contribution to others they look to seek they don't look to seek

[00:15:24] tension maybe low and they share credit where credit is due and then they emphasize team over self

[00:15:32] talking a little bit about that because you've been on again these three the teams that you've

[00:15:38] been on we're talking about busters and marcado a lot of the girls were humble all were more hungry

[00:15:49] most of them were hungry yeah 95% of were hungry and then they are all pretty smart yeah

[00:15:57] so talk about the humble part if you were coaching if you're gonna be a coach or just talk

[00:16:02] about some of the teammates that you've had talk about some maybe there's instances where you saw

[00:16:08] some humility in your teammates yeah humble you said something about

[00:16:16] the accepting mistakes something on those lines sharing credit yeah that's a I think that's

[00:16:22] a big one with being humble as a teammate especially as a pitcher you always told me tell me just

[00:16:29] go out there and say you want the ball like I you want the ball you want the ball always

[00:16:33] and I some previous coaches have always told me that's the mindset you want as a pitcher

[00:16:39] when you have multiple pitchers on a team having that same mentality it can be a little tough

[00:16:45] because now you're like citing for say playing time or I should be pitching against this team blah blah blah

[00:16:54] but it's not about that it's yes you can think that be like oh like why didn't I get the start over

[00:17:01] this person or why didn't I come in that that it just takes some deep reflection and thought

[00:17:07] and from like the coach is perspective but whether they thinking why did they make that decision

[00:17:13] and sometimes it's just telling two did you earn it did you work hard enough during the week did you show

[00:17:20] humility be like all right that's I didn't do so well last week I'm gonna have to work my way back up

[00:17:28] and sometimes you think you worked a certain amount of time then you worked this amount of

[00:17:35] worked hard enough for that moment and it's not the outcome that you wanted but

[00:17:41] you still have to encourage your teammates encourage the others around you and not

[00:17:46] look down upon them and say I could do this and I could do I could do better than they are it's you're on the same

[00:17:52] team so why are we yes there's a healthy level of competition between certain athletes because

[00:17:58] you play the same position and you go back to being hungry you have to be hungry to work hard

[00:18:05] of the band or go and do the extra word and when you don't have that you have no room to complain

[00:18:12] about playing time yeah no room yeah and humility is you said it right at the beginning is it

[00:18:18] is part of recognizing or saying that you did make them sick I yes I like you just said I didn't

[00:18:27] do play very well and I recognize that's why I'm not playing yeah instead I'm putting blame on

[00:18:33] somebody else you're recognizing that it's not about it's not about the other person it's not

[00:18:38] the pitching coaches fault that you didn't do well it's your like you're recognizing that I need to

[00:18:43] put more work in so that's humility as a coach you want to see that you want to see players have

[00:18:49] humility and and recognize when they do bad it's not there it's not somebody else's fault it's

[00:18:54] their own fault they need to fix whatever it's going on with them go ahead sir yeah

[00:19:00] and I'm also recently power of education right locust like it's called the locust of control

[00:19:06] and there's the internal locust of a contendrol and external locust of control and it's basically

[00:19:13] whether you take accountability for your actions and look within yourself on why

[00:19:18] different things are happening or aren't happening or you look externally and blame others for

[00:19:24] your certain behaviors or your certain actions so do you have eternal locust of control where

[00:19:30] you take it upon yourself to work harder go get extra work in and do the things you need to do in

[00:19:38] order to be successful or are you blaming others because of your performance yes there's going

[00:19:45] to be outside factors okay the blue wasn't calling the outside corner okay find a way to keep if

[00:19:52] you're throwing it at the knees you just keep living there they're probably gonna swing at it

[00:19:56] eventually maybe he'll call it eventually but to just blame the umpire for how you performed

[00:20:03] is not gonna help you at all or blaming I don't know say the tea like your teammates sometimes

[00:20:11] it's hard because the immediate reaction is oh there's all these things that happen that could have

[00:20:18] you could have we could have won because of this but instead I looked back and watched the game

[00:20:26] yesterday because it was on ESPN plus so it could they can save it which is great but I go to the airport

[00:20:33] and I just rewind all these different batters that I faced and these different counts and then

[00:20:38] what I was doing what I was doing raw you have to take those factors and implement it to

[00:20:45] you your next mission your next game yeah so yeah that's awesome yeah because I know the parents

[00:20:53] point of view right it's like you always blame the blue and again my my podcast and my solo

[00:20:59] cast last week I take blame I wasn't the best dad or the best coach I got kicked out of a game

[00:21:05] because I was arguing with an umpire but I'm come on blue you always hear that come on blue

[00:21:10] you always hear that from parents and but parents perspective is you're in the stands you're not

[00:21:14] right behind the plate number one you see it from an angle so you have no idea if the blues

[00:21:20] close or not anyways be humble as a parent to just the blues are doing their best they're not

[00:21:25] always very good but you got to make those adjustments and move on but you talked about hungry

[00:21:32] a just a minute ago this is huge for me and I talked about my podcast that I didn't have a whole

[00:21:38] when I was a coach I didn't have a lot of players that were hungry that they

[00:21:43] and that's what I wanted to be there like they they played maybe because their parents are making them

[00:21:47] play or they just think it's fun or whatever but so hungry in the book with is almost they almost

[00:21:54] have to be put they almost never have to be pushed to work harder they're self-motivated and they're

[00:22:00] diligent and I used the high schools an example we didn't have a lot of girls on that team that were

[00:22:06] hungry no no we didn't and what my senior year we did yeah it was a crazy

[00:22:12] sort of difference and growing up in tribal ball every single girl was hungry I did play on one

[00:22:21] team where I did notice that was not the case softball self fun and giggles and sometimes that's

[00:22:26] not it for me and it's hard to find that balance because now I'm in college and sometimes you do

[00:22:33] have to find a little bit of fun and you have to you got to find find the fun and find the good

[00:22:40] and not be so strict with yourself with travel ball I feel like it's way more strict in order to

[00:22:47] get to the point of college ball and once you get to college you can ease up a little bit but you

[00:22:53] still have to have that motivation and as you're saying hungry and it's tough sometimes because

[00:23:00] some girls might not be as hungry as you and it's difficult to encourage that funginess because

[00:23:09] you can't beat it into them you just have to live with it and you're not it's some people just

[00:23:15] don't change and they were grown or raised like that it's definitely you just have to take it

[00:23:20] within yourself and be like all right I'm in I'm internally motivated so I'm just going to do

[00:23:26] what I have to do in order for me to play factor into this team and us winning so it's definitely

[00:23:35] a balance for sure because I've said it before I'm as hard as myself at I'm probably the first

[00:23:41] person that's going to be the hardest on myself and my whole environment and like sometimes I do

[00:23:48] have to lay back on my hungeriness a little bit because not everything's going to be perfect

[00:23:54] I'm probably a great a perfectionist and everything's going to be perfect so I have to step back

[00:24:00] a little bit on the hungry part and just like softball is a sport softball fun

[00:24:09] doesn't always have to be serious yeah it's not your life right yeah because some will make it

[00:24:16] their lives they make softball their lives and then they're down with their four years of college

[00:24:20] and they don't know what to do with their life they don't know what to do so there is that balance

[00:24:25] it's almost like you take it back to Chris Garcia and take a personal right if you're hungry you're

[00:24:31] going to take you're going to take those ground balls personal and you're going to take it serious

[00:24:36] right and you're gonna work on you're gonna ask the coach to hit you more ground balls

[00:24:40] you miss it in practice you're gonna say you're not going to get the back of line you're

[00:24:43] going to say hey give me another one that's being hungry yeah asking for another rep when you drop

[00:24:50] a ball is being hungry when you go on the back of line after you drop ball it's yeah whatever

[00:24:57] come by yeah I just missed it all the coaches are gonna hit me another one so I'll just and then

[00:25:01] you miss another one it's yeah okay whatever so that's that was my issue that's my issue with what

[00:25:08] I was basketball right they would they weren't hungry they would roll they do that my bad thing

[00:25:14] they recognize it was there bad yeah you hate that I hate that I was you do like you say okay I'm

[00:25:21] not gonna let that happen again hungry person say I'm not gonna let that happen again somebody who's

[00:25:26] not hungry somebody who is not diligent about what they're what's going on around them they're

[00:25:33] gonna say my bad right there's a difference the people to say my bad they're not hungry

[00:25:39] they're they're they're hoping somebody gives them gives them the okay it's okay get the next one

[00:25:46] where the person who's hungry is saying okay I'm not gonna let that happen again yes this might

[00:25:51] fall but if I'm not gonna let it happen again yeah so at least let's let's pivot to a smart player

[00:25:57] and again smart is a player who has good judgment and intuition who is aware of the impact of their

[00:26:07] words and actions which is huge we talked about that at the beginning and then a person's common sense

[00:26:13] about people so we talked about that before we got on the air so talk about your definition of

[00:26:23] a smart player because I know there was there's been on some teams where they're joking around

[00:26:29] on they they think it's a joke and it's not a joke but they're not aware of they don't think it's

[00:26:35] not a joke yeah and yeah we I feel like we learn from a very young age how words have an impact

[00:26:43] or like how we learn about bullying in elementary or middle school it's the bullying that doesn't

[00:26:48] necessarily remember what they said to that person but that person will remember what you said

[00:26:53] for the rest of your life because of how their words impacted that individual but especially

[00:26:58] as a teammate where you're on each other all the time you play it together you have to be on

[00:27:06] the shield together there has to be some sort of like you said common sense of how your words

[00:27:12] will impact that person now are they're gonna be groups within the team what are a little bit closer

[00:27:18] and that understand each other's humor and joke around like that with each other yeah of course

[00:27:24] me and my friends have certain like jokes whoops together that other people probably wouldn't

[00:27:29] understand but it's not too a point where you're being like on descending or rude or might trigger

[00:27:41] something within that like person and you're saying that too and especially as girls they're saying

[00:27:47] boys just shaking off whenever fight it out and then you're back on the core whatever girls take

[00:27:53] a lot of things more personal it I think and it's definitely been a journey to like not take

[00:28:02] things so personally of what other people say especially with teammates because we have to get

[00:28:07] we have to get back on the heels of God not to skip it I got it it's just we've taught I learned a

[00:28:12] lot about tone and delivery so it's the tone you have and the way you deliver it as a pitcher I've

[00:28:20] worked on those a few times myself is like when I'm on that field and say one of my teammates makes

[00:28:27] an error how am I going to encourage them to get back in the game and reset am I gonna say come

[00:28:33] on you should have that okay tone and delivery okay or am I gonna say all right you get the next one

[00:28:41] I'm gonna get you a ground ball right now it's on the field and off the field as people are as

[00:28:48] people too like you don't want to be you have to like you said you have to know other people and

[00:28:55] how they might feel if you say that to them this being smart about just like the people

[00:29:03] that you're surrounded with and not I don't know how to word it's hard because you know

[00:29:10] even if you confront them on it right yeah again these are not they're not smart you confront

[00:29:18] them on it and they just all get over it and they walk away or say they just don't get it hey you

[00:29:24] just what you said was not nice I didn't like what you said now I'm a big girl I can I'm a tough

[00:29:33] girl believe me you've been through a lot lace so yes all eventually get over because I'm an adult

[00:29:39] and but what you said wasn't very nice and I would prefer you not to say that anymore oh get over it

[00:29:46] so I don't know it's just a joke and you'll get over it to some people it's not a joke and I think my

[00:29:54] generation has a really tough time with that and like knowing the difference between a joke and an

[00:30:01] insult delivery wise because you don't know how that comment is going to impact someone like we said

[00:30:10] what kind of legacy do you want to leave a team like when I'm done with stuff for here and when I

[00:30:16] graduate what do I want my teammates to to tell the future spars what I was like oh you play with

[00:30:25] Wacey him how is that how she has a teammate I like for me that's a really big obviously you don't

[00:30:31] want to harp on reputation but it's all about like character especially on it if those girls are

[00:30:37] going to be like your lifelong friends or you're gonna have we talked about inviting them to

[00:30:43] you're wedding or is it gonna for your bridesmaids oh you don't really remember like oh we lost

[00:30:49] that game because of an error you remember oh that lachia was my teammate because she was a good

[00:30:55] teammate because this miss and it's mostly character wise and that's what I want to be known for

[00:31:02] I don't want to be known for like comments being made that were insulting or like impact someone's life

[00:31:08] because of something I said right yeah there's a couple couple reasons why they would they'll

[00:31:14] do that is because there's a void in our lives they need to fill it by making fun of somebody else

[00:31:20] so they make they go better about themselves right so there's some sort of void inside of them that

[00:31:26] they need to fill so they pick on somebody that is who's pickable right that maybe you're not

[00:31:32] somebody's gonna fight back or somebody's gonna take a personal soul if it feels good to them at

[00:31:37] the moment because you know they don't like themselves or in a certain point in their lives so

[00:31:41] and then these three things these three virtues humble hungry and smart that's gonna carry over into

[00:31:49] your job or or you start your own business and you start hiring people right can you imagine

[00:31:55] hiring some of your team not current teammates but teammates in the past can you imagine

[00:32:00] I would imagine you would be looking at these sort of your virtues when you are looking to hire

[00:32:04] somebody here you want somebody who is not hungry who's not who doesn't want that doesn't really

[00:32:11] necessarily want the job but they just need it because they want money or they think they're

[00:32:16] the best salesman and they should be they should be top of the top person in their sales department

[00:32:21] because they have so many sales it's not just you it's your teammates that help to get those

[00:32:26] sales right and then just be smart and just knowing your surroundings and staying the right things

[00:32:31] to people that you're gonna be working with for a long time right um so lace we gotta get out of

[00:32:37] here but I appreciate you coming back and they're you have a big series coming up it boysy boy do

[00:32:45] those fences are very short so let's hope the one is blowing in unlike this like again when the wind

[00:32:53] was blowing I think 15 miles per hour out because you think about it too because I think our

[00:33:00] field is I think the longest fence in NCAA I honestly I don't know of any other field that's

[00:33:07] that long and to be honest I think those own breads are pop lies on our field they would have been

[00:33:13] or triple or maybe a triple over the head you never know but yeah yeah one yeah because your

[00:33:21] fences are 235 which is pretty long for a self-fulfilled yeah and those were I think 210 so what

[00:33:29] inner fences are about 10 feet high that's right and a lot of other fences are about six feet high

[00:33:37] right so there's more room for them to go over glad you had a good mental health day and your back at it

[00:33:45] so let's let's have a great week and I will catch you on the other side everybody lacy I love you

[00:33:51] we'll see you later

[00:33:57] bye